Technical Question!

topic posted Thu, April 3, 2008 - 2:17 PM by  sharaf
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Which is more slippery- a track that's wet or one that's covered with fine particles of desert sand?
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sharaf
Bahrain
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  • Re: Technical Question!

    Thu, April 3, 2008 - 3:03 PM
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction

    I believe this is a question of physics and depends wether you are referring to object that is begining to move (static) or a body in motion (kinetic). The formula to answer your question is:

    assumin a flat surface: force= Mu X wieght. where Mu is the coefficient of friction. The question to you is which Mu do we need, Mus= coefficient of static friction of sand and water OR Muk= coefficient of kinetic friction of sand and water

    In other words is the car moving and you are hitting the brake OR are you beginning to accelerate?

    I miss physics!
    • Re: Technical Question!

      Thu, April 3, 2008 - 3:18 PM
      I believe that i have a better answer.

      we have to find a table (from a traction engineering source) that lists the coefficient of friction between:

      1) rubber and particles of sand
      2) rubber and a wet pavement

      which ever coefficient is LESS, that will give the least frictional force and consequently be MORE slippery. I cant seem to find such a table researching online. hope this helps.
  • Re: Technical Question!

    Sun, April 6, 2008 - 10:33 AM
    My gut feeling is given equal amounts of "contamination", the wet track gives less traction. Just thinking out loud; sand might create a unique challenge as wind shifts could alter dusty areas and amount of dust on the track at a given time. Opportunities to practice for those conditions are also more limited.

    It was interesting that during todays Bahrain GP there were comments that at least a couple of teams engineers were seeing little difference between the hard and soft tires for at least a couple of the teams.

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